1 00:00:08,150 --> 00:00:05,749 flying saucer real they've seen the 2 00:00:10,490 --> 00:00:08,160 aliens buzzing our missile silence at 3 00:00:12,049 --> 00:00:10,500 the UFO phenomenon either we like it or 4 00:00:14,330 --> 00:00:12,059 not is already very much talked about 5 00:00:16,790 --> 00:00:14,340 reality that caused a compass needle to 6 00:00:18,740 --> 00:00:16,800 spin and spin and that's where the whole 7 00:00:21,260 --> 00:00:18,750 seed for the idea of underground bases 8 00:00:23,269 --> 00:00:21,270 at Dulce was planted they have very 9 00:00:27,439 --> 00:00:23,279 large eyes and you know I found their 10 00:00:29,210 --> 00:00:27,449 stare extremely difficult to bear hello 11 00:00:32,389 --> 00:00:29,220 this is martin willis and welcome to 12 00:00:34,639 --> 00:00:32,399 Podcast UFO this is part two of our 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:34,649 abduction week today's guest for episode 14 00:00:41,150 --> 00:00:38,489 number 49 are Denise stoner and Kathleen 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:41,160 Mardan wait till you hear the stories of 16 00:00:44,510 --> 00:00:42,930 this podcast they're going to be talking 17 00:00:48,020 --> 00:00:44,520 about their new book that just came out 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:48,030 the alien abduction files make sure you 19 00:00:51,770 --> 00:00:49,530 check out our podcasts that came out 20 00:00:54,260 --> 00:00:51,780 just a few days ago with Ralph 21 00:00:56,510 --> 00:00:54,270 Blumenthal talking mostly about his 22 00:00:58,810 --> 00:00:56,520 Vanity Fair article and how we got 23 00:01:01,939 --> 00:00:58,820 involved researching John Mack and 24 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:01,949 abductions since we do not have a news 25 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:04,650 segment in this bonus podcast I'm going 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:06,810 to read to you an account that I 27 00:01:11,570 --> 00:01:09,570 transcribed yesterday directly from a TV 28 00:01:14,420 --> 00:01:11,580 personality that did not want to be 29 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:14,430 recorded and here goes his first-hand 30 00:01:20,210 --> 00:01:18,330 account in 1974 I was with four or five 31 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:20,220 friends and we were on i believe the 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:23,369 21st floor of if i can remember it was 33 00:01:28,789 --> 00:01:25,890 called the washington building at umass 34 00:01:30,499 --> 00:01:28,799 in amherst massachusetts we were by the 35 00:01:32,929 --> 00:01:30,509 window talking and all of a sudden we 36 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:32,939 saw this object swoop down and go 37 00:01:37,940 --> 00:01:35,040 through the mall and then just Hoover 38 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:37,950 about the 15th floor it was kind of like 39 00:01:42,889 --> 00:01:40,890 a box-shaped rectangular item with 40 00:01:45,310 --> 00:01:42,899 lights all the way around it it stayed 41 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:45,320 steady for a moment it shot up what 42 00:01:49,819 --> 00:01:47,250 probably would have broken the sound 43 00:01:51,620 --> 00:01:49,829 barrier but there was no sound at all up 44 00:01:53,749 --> 00:01:51,630 toward the mountains and it just stayed 45 00:01:56,870 --> 00:01:53,759 there and hoovered all of a sudden it 46 00:01:59,569 --> 00:01:56,880 seemed like the box shaped item burst 47 00:02:02,330 --> 00:01:59,579 into several lights and then they 48 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:02,340 created a triangle formation and just 49 00:02:06,230 --> 00:02:04,200 SAT there and then the lights started 50 00:02:08,089 --> 00:02:06,240 flashing back and forth to each other 51 00:02:11,029 --> 00:02:08,099 almost like they were communicating 52 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:11,039 signals or something we heard noises of 53 00:02:15,589 --> 00:02:13,560 jets and looked up in two fighter jets 54 00:02:19,010 --> 00:02:15,599 we're heading directly in that direction 55 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:19,020 coming from overhead and we saw it 56 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:22,410 pursue the object which shot off on an 57 00:02:27,470 --> 00:02:24,450 angle of a speed that I could never 58 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:27,480 imagine the fighter jets pursued it just 59 00:02:31,580 --> 00:02:29,130 for a second or two in that direction 60 00:02:35,330 --> 00:02:31,590 and then circled around and came back 61 00:02:39,110 --> 00:02:35,340 from where they were so I asked him I 62 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:39,120 said did you report this and he said no 63 00:02:42,979 --> 00:02:41,130 his friends and him did not want to 64 00:02:44,690 --> 00:02:42,989 report it but they looked in the paper 65 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:44,700 for the next couple of days and they 66 00:02:49,729 --> 00:02:47,130 didn't see any type of report of it at 67 00:02:51,530 --> 00:02:49,739 all so then I asked him well how did you 68 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:51,540 feel about that and he said well I 69 00:02:55,610 --> 00:02:54,239 thought it was weird and I said did it 70 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:55,620 change your life do you think about 71 00:03:00,710 --> 00:02:56,970 these things all the time and he says 72 00:03:03,259 --> 00:03:00,720 now I could care less so to me his 73 00:03:06,130 --> 00:03:03,269 reaction to the whole situation was just 74 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:06,140 about as curious as the incident itself 75 00:03:10,940 --> 00:03:08,370 but anyway i thought i'd share that with 76 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:10,950 you kathleen Mardon and denise stoner 77 00:03:15,660 --> 00:03:12,930 are coming up and sit back and relax 78 00:03:34,110 --> 00:03:15,670 enjoy the show 79 00:03:37,580 --> 00:03:34,120 I have both Denise stoner and Kathleen 80 00:03:41,729 --> 00:03:37,590 Martin on skype how are you ladies fine 81 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:41,739 and your new book is just out the alien 82 00:03:48,210 --> 00:03:45,010 abduction files a great book I did get 83 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:48,220 my nose into it a little bit and Kathy 84 00:03:52,590 --> 00:03:49,840 you did most of the writing of this book 85 00:03:56,340 --> 00:03:52,600 can you give the listener audience and 86 00:03:58,979 --> 00:03:56,350 overview of it I'd love to well the book 87 00:04:02,520 --> 00:03:58,989 begins with the story of Denise stoner 88 00:04:06,390 --> 00:04:02,530 and her family's UFO abduction 89 00:04:09,630 --> 00:04:06,400 experiencers she had two very 90 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:09,640 significant missing time events one with 91 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:12,130 her husband and daughter in Colorado and 92 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:15,970 the other in Florida and then Denise 93 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:20,470 gives her own personal story about the 94 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:23,440 way that she has reacted emotionally and 95 00:04:29,850 --> 00:04:26,530 physically to all of this and a detailed 96 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:29,860 account of the experiences that she has 97 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:32,289 had personally throughout her lifetime 98 00:04:39,620 --> 00:04:36,130 it's a fascinating read and then we find 99 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:39,630 out what denise has in common with other 100 00:04:44,850 --> 00:04:42,850 experiences I also had to include a 101 00:04:47,550 --> 00:04:44,860 chapter about one of my favorite topics 102 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:47,560 of study it's titled anything but 103 00:04:54,510 --> 00:04:51,010 extraterrestrial and it's an overview of 104 00:04:59,100 --> 00:04:54,520 the government's UFO studies over the 105 00:05:02,070 --> 00:04:59,110 years and how they have contradicted the 106 00:05:04,380 --> 00:05:02,080 evidence that they have obtained in 107 00:05:07,890 --> 00:05:04,390 their public statements so I found that 108 00:05:12,090 --> 00:05:07,900 very interesting from from there we move 109 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:12,100 on to the lengthy study of Jenny 110 00:05:19,290 --> 00:05:15,850 Henderson's UFO abduction experiences 111 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:19,300 this is a multi-generational abduction 112 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:22,690 her mother her son and her daughter have 113 00:05:28,820 --> 00:05:26,710 already have all been taken with all of 114 00:05:32,150 --> 00:05:28,830 the evidence that this has occurred 115 00:05:35,510 --> 00:05:32,160 and also her emotional response to all 116 00:05:37,940 --> 00:05:35,520 of this and we also discuss the 117 00:05:41,810 --> 00:05:37,950 commonality study that Denise and I 118 00:05:45,770 --> 00:05:41,820 worked on together for a year with 50 119 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:45,780 different experiences and a 25-person 120 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:48,960 control group we found that both Denise 121 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:53,490 and Jenny have all 23 of the 122 00:06:00,350 --> 00:05:56,130 characteristics that experiencers have 123 00:06:03,380 --> 00:06:00,360 in common and at the end of our book we 124 00:06:07,540 --> 00:06:03,390 discussed several additional cases of 125 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:07,550 alien abduction and what we look for and 126 00:06:13,310 --> 00:06:10,170 discuss in the book the little known 127 00:06:16,130 --> 00:06:13,320 characteristics of aliens experimental 128 00:06:18,980 --> 00:06:16,140 procedures the theoretical science that 129 00:06:22,340 --> 00:06:18,990 can explain alien technology the 130 00:06:25,390 --> 00:06:22,350 messages conveyed by the e cheese to 131 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:25,400 abduction experiencers the 132 00:06:31,070 --> 00:06:28,290 vulnerabilities and benefits of living 133 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:31,080 life as an abduction experience ER and 134 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:34,110 the evidence that the phenomena are real 135 00:06:39,380 --> 00:06:37,170 and not imaginary well I want to talk to 136 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:39,390 you about those messages later on I 137 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:40,970 don't want to forget that because that's 138 00:06:46,460 --> 00:06:44,010 fascinating to me Denise I would like to 139 00:06:48,530 --> 00:06:46,470 talk to you about your experiences 140 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:48,540 because Wow was all I got to say to 141 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:50,730 anyone that wants to pick up the book 142 00:06:56,540 --> 00:06:54,240 it's really really fascinating and scary 143 00:06:59,090 --> 00:06:56,550 to think that your husband Edie it was 144 00:07:01,490 --> 00:06:59,100 actually was right there to witness what 145 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:01,500 was going on or at least are you leaving 146 00:07:05,870 --> 00:07:03,090 and coming back and all that and then 147 00:07:08,150 --> 00:07:05,880 you you after further discovery you go 148 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:08,160 into some childhood happening so you 149 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:09,690 know what I think is always fascinating 150 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:12,450 is okay you're in Colorado then you move 151 00:07:17,390 --> 00:07:15,090 to Florida and they follow you can you 152 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:17,400 talk about some of the goings-on without 153 00:07:23,330 --> 00:07:20,310 giving too much of a spoiler yes 154 00:07:26,210 --> 00:07:23,340 absolutely from age two and a half I've 155 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:26,220 had experiences and as a child I really 156 00:07:32,510 --> 00:07:29,130 wasn't afraid because I had a vivid 157 00:07:37,790 --> 00:07:32,520 imagination was always able to entertain 158 00:07:40,010 --> 00:07:37,800 myself so when I first saw the object in 159 00:07:42,470 --> 00:07:40,020 the sky that was my first sighting I 160 00:07:44,450 --> 00:07:42,480 thought it was a nursery rhyme character 161 00:07:47,060 --> 00:07:44,460 didn't it look like an egg or something 162 00:07:49,460 --> 00:07:47,070 yes it looked like Humpty Dumpty it was 163 00:07:51,950 --> 00:07:49,470 huge and that's what I told my 164 00:07:54,470 --> 00:07:51,960 grandfather when he came through who put 165 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:54,480 Humpty Dumpty up there but then I saw 166 00:08:01,220 --> 00:07:58,050 fear register on his face and I thought 167 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:01,230 oh what's he afraid of maybe that Humpty 168 00:08:05,750 --> 00:08:03,510 Dumpty's going to fall or break is he 169 00:08:07,250 --> 00:08:05,760 gonna fall on our house and you know 170 00:08:10,130 --> 00:08:07,260 those little thoughts ran through my 171 00:08:12,050 --> 00:08:10,140 head but then when he wanted me to get 172 00:08:14,570 --> 00:08:12,060 ready for bed and closed the curtains 173 00:08:18,350 --> 00:08:14,580 and I couldn't see anymore what was in 174 00:08:21,470 --> 00:08:18,360 the sky and I was concerned even as a 175 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:21,480 small child I thought about it so I was 176 00:08:28,670 --> 00:08:24,890 put to bed and then this small entity 177 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:28,680 came to my bedside with either a tool or 178 00:08:34,550 --> 00:08:31,170 a light I wasn't sure I still don't know 179 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:34,560 but I can picture it even today and took 180 00:08:39,409 --> 00:08:36,930 my hand I got out of bed we went down 181 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:39,419 the hall and went right through the wall 182 00:08:46,070 --> 00:08:43,770 and ended up in a huge craft wow wow now 183 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:46,080 not to give too much away but you're a 184 00:08:50,930 --> 00:08:48,360 story and Colorado with your whole 185 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:50,940 family members and everything everyone 186 00:08:55,010 --> 00:08:53,130 waiting for you to show up are you you 187 00:08:56,990 --> 00:08:55,020 being late and then what is really 188 00:08:59,960 --> 00:08:57,000 curious is the mileage on the odometer 189 00:09:02,870 --> 00:08:59,970 on the car not registering what was it 190 00:09:06,890 --> 00:09:02,880 twenty some odd miles just gone it was 191 00:09:10,340 --> 00:09:06,900 quite a few miles and yes and my husband 192 00:09:12,980 --> 00:09:10,350 had been setting that trip meter not 193 00:09:15,140 --> 00:09:12,990 just that one time but before that trip 194 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:15,150 he'd been setting it because when he 195 00:09:21,350 --> 00:09:18,090 thought something might be wrong with 196 00:09:23,390 --> 00:09:21,360 the mileage on the car she said it for 197 00:09:25,100 --> 00:09:23,400 that because it was a longer trip and 198 00:09:27,650 --> 00:09:25,110 wanted to make sure he continued to 199 00:09:30,910 --> 00:09:27,660 monitor what was going on so we 200 00:09:33,590 --> 00:09:30,920 discovered the mileage missing and 201 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:33,600 checked it and then when we left to take 202 00:09:38,690 --> 00:09:36,450 the rest of the trip the meter started 203 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:38,700 right up and was running perfectly fine 204 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:41,250 so we knew something had stopped it 205 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:44,040 there had to be a reason for it it was 206 00:09:49,820 --> 00:09:46,650 daylight we knew the car had lifted off 207 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:49,830 the road or I did he wasn't sure because 208 00:09:54,860 --> 00:09:53,040 he didn't have that recall I had looked 209 00:09:55,710 --> 00:09:54,870 over at him and he wasn't moving he was 210 00:09:58,319 --> 00:09:55,720 just staring 211 00:10:00,119 --> 00:09:58,329 straight ahead his hands were on the 212 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:00,129 steering wheel but he wasn't steering 213 00:10:07,860 --> 00:10:03,970 and he just lost all recall of what 214 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:07,870 occurred until we run the far pass from 215 00:10:12,540 --> 00:10:09,569 one mountain pass to another and 216 00:10:15,059 --> 00:10:12,550 completely skipped the glacier valley as 217 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:15,069 far as he was concerned I knew the car 218 00:10:19,949 --> 00:10:16,930 lift it off the road I felt the tires 219 00:10:22,410 --> 00:10:19,959 scraping lifting over snow barriers that 220 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:22,420 were there and going across the high 221 00:10:27,869 --> 00:10:25,750 desert with lights over the car that 222 00:10:31,230 --> 00:10:27,879 were attached to a huge object that I 223 00:10:33,210 --> 00:10:31,240 couldn't see it first and then knew we 224 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:33,220 were coming to a stop didn't know why 225 00:10:38,249 --> 00:10:35,889 and didn't recall some of that right 226 00:10:41,249 --> 00:10:38,259 away and all of a sudden we're on a far 227 00:10:44,999 --> 00:10:41,259 pass in the dark it was no longer 228 00:10:47,550 --> 00:10:45,009 daylight and so we knew that some hours 229 00:10:50,129 --> 00:10:47,560 had passed and we were very concerned 230 00:10:52,949 --> 00:10:50,139 and frightened what caused the fear we 231 00:10:55,949 --> 00:10:52,959 didn't know disorientation what caused 232 00:10:58,290 --> 00:10:55,959 that we weren't sure so my husband said 233 00:11:00,389 --> 00:10:58,300 we need to pull over and talk about it 234 00:11:02,579 --> 00:11:00,399 let's try and figure out what happened 235 00:11:06,329 --> 00:11:02,589 our daughter was asleep in the back of 236 00:11:08,790 --> 00:11:06,339 the car so after a few minutes we moved 237 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:08,800 on we had another few miles to go and 238 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:11,170 there were my parents and a longtime 239 00:11:16,319 --> 00:11:14,290 friend waiting getting ready to go into 240 00:11:18,929 --> 00:11:16,329 the ranch house to make a phone call to 241 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:18,939 the hospital and the police and then my 242 00:11:23,699 --> 00:11:20,649 dad was going to get in the car with his 243 00:11:25,379 --> 00:11:23,709 friend our friend and start to drive the 244 00:11:27,660 --> 00:11:25,389 route that we took to see if we were 245 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:27,670 stuck in a gully over the side of a 246 00:11:33,780 --> 00:11:30,220 cliff just to see if they could find us 247 00:11:36,119 --> 00:11:33,790 yeah that's an amazing account and your 248 00:11:38,129 --> 00:11:36,129 description of the craft I was trying to 249 00:11:40,410 --> 00:11:38,139 figure that out because it sounds like 250 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:40,420 almost like an hourglass shaped a very 251 00:11:45,540 --> 00:11:43,360 strange sounding craft it was it had a 252 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:45,550 centerpiece where all the lights were 253 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:49,990 but yet I knew it could fold over itself 254 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:53,649 to look more like a disk I knew that and 255 00:12:00,299 --> 00:11:56,970 all the lights would then become 256 00:12:04,650 --> 00:12:00,309 internal somehow it was it was a very 257 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:04,660 strange-looking craft and I saw it both 258 00:12:09,580 --> 00:12:07,569 ways I saw it as it was coming across 259 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:09,590 and the lights in the sin 260 00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:13,210 rotated and wasn't it sort of biological 261 00:12:20,140 --> 00:12:16,990 possibly in the center it was quite 262 00:12:23,620 --> 00:12:20,150 possible it was very strange and that's 263 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:23,630 what affected me when I was taken to see 264 00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:27,850 that I could feel or had a physical 265 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:30,560 sensation before i entered the doorway 266 00:12:38,620 --> 00:12:35,510 where this center core was my muscles 267 00:12:41,290 --> 00:12:38,630 reacted my nerves reacted I didn't know 268 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:41,300 it because I was in a pretty deep 269 00:12:49,780 --> 00:12:45,130 hypnotic trance at the time I was 270 00:12:52,390 --> 00:12:49,790 appearing to feel pain and Kathleen had 271 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:52,400 to give me a suggestion that I was just 272 00:12:58,870 --> 00:12:54,950 observing and not feeling at the time 273 00:13:01,600 --> 00:12:58,880 and so afterwards when she asked me if I 274 00:13:04,990 --> 00:13:01,610 realized what was going on I wasn't sure 275 00:13:07,390 --> 00:13:05,000 I didn't think so and so later on I 276 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:07,400 asked her to repeat the process and 277 00:13:12,820 --> 00:13:09,890 videotape it are you talking about when 278 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:12,830 you were under hypnosis yes I was under 279 00:13:18,130 --> 00:13:15,410 hypnosis one I described visiting the 280 00:13:20,470 --> 00:13:18,140 center core of the craft and I had a 281 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:20,480 physical visual reaction that that 282 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:24,170 Kathleen could see when I started to 283 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:25,910 feel it was it was both nerve 284 00:13:32,140 --> 00:13:28,610 involvement muscle involvement and a 285 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:32,150 movement that was difficult for me to 286 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:34,850 describe when I saw it on the film but 287 00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:37,970 then I had carried it with me and was 288 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:41,120 having some odd reactions at home in 289 00:13:46,810 --> 00:13:43,130 real life and doctors could not and 290 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:46,820 still cannot diagnose it Wow now the one 291 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:48,290 thing that comes to mind denise is 292 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:50,810 something that i would feel is like why 293 00:13:56,380 --> 00:13:54,260 me do you feel that you know i don't pay 294 00:14:00,220 --> 00:13:56,390 too much attention to that anymore i 295 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:00,230 used to ask that and I at one point 296 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:02,690 spent three days going over the 297 00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:05,210 religious aspects what was it going to 298 00:14:12,850 --> 00:14:08,000 do to my belief system should it do 299 00:14:16,060 --> 00:14:12,860 something to it why me was i special was 300 00:14:18,820 --> 00:14:16,070 I not special what did I think of myself 301 00:14:22,810 --> 00:14:18,830 and at the end of the three day period I 302 00:14:23,260 --> 00:14:22,820 said well I guess why not me maybe I'm 303 00:14:26,260 --> 00:14:23,270 so 304 00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:26,270 is to help people maybe this is my goal 305 00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:29,600 my status my purpose in life and so 306 00:14:34,420 --> 00:14:32,000 we'll just go on from here and by the 307 00:14:36,670 --> 00:14:34,430 way you have been doing research on the 308 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:36,680 abduction experience for quite a while 309 00:14:40,750 --> 00:14:38,330 so you are helping people out there 310 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:40,760 that's what I want to do yes both 311 00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:43,070 privately for people that want to come 312 00:14:49,780 --> 00:14:45,920 and meet and not be talking about it in 313 00:14:53,170 --> 00:14:49,790 the public view in the public a public 314 00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:53,180 setting and also for those that want to 315 00:14:58,540 --> 00:14:56,240 come to meetings in the open and aren't 316 00:15:01,960 --> 00:14:58,550 afraid are worried about how it will 317 00:15:05,050 --> 00:15:01,970 affect their lives so I do that as far 318 00:15:07,630 --> 00:15:05,060 as public meetings also yes and I like 319 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:07,640 research I like the scientific portion 320 00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:09,770 of it and Kathleen and I are working on 321 00:15:16,630 --> 00:15:13,910 that mm-hmm Kathy can you talk about the 322 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:16,640 messages because I want to know more 323 00:15:20,740 --> 00:15:18,710 about that I've heard some things in the 324 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:20,750 past and kind of scary things about 325 00:15:26,110 --> 00:15:24,650 possible future catastrophes on planet 326 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:26,120 earth and things like that is that is 327 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:27,470 that what you're talking about when you 328 00:15:33,220 --> 00:15:30,290 say messages when I say messages i'm 329 00:15:35,230 --> 00:15:33,230 referring to several different messages 330 00:15:38,410 --> 00:15:35,240 that people have reported to me that 331 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:38,420 they've received from extraterrestrial 332 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:40,610 beings while they were on the craft and 333 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:44,090 they often come as either downloads of 334 00:15:49,540 --> 00:15:47,450 information that they might not remember 335 00:15:52,450 --> 00:15:49,550 fully when they're on the craft but 336 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:52,460 might be able to recall under hypnosis 337 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:54,920 although they do remember bits and 338 00:16:01,210 --> 00:15:57,530 pieces of it there are also messages 339 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:01,220 that they receive by looking at screens 340 00:16:07,900 --> 00:16:04,130 on the craft where they are shown visual 341 00:16:11,290 --> 00:16:07,910 messages or through holographic images 342 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:11,300 on the craft now these visual messages 343 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:15,410 and what these are the ones that are so 344 00:16:22,110 --> 00:16:19,190 worrisome too many experience because 345 00:16:25,750 --> 00:16:22,120 they depict the destruction of a planet 346 00:16:30,580 --> 00:16:25,760 and you might see a planet that appears 347 00:16:32,830 --> 00:16:30,590 to be lifeless and many people interpret 348 00:16:36,220 --> 00:16:32,840 this as meaning that this might happen 349 00:16:37,210 --> 00:16:36,230 to Planet Earth I don't know if that is 350 00:16:42,059 --> 00:16:37,220 what has happened 351 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:42,069 or is our are the ETS giving the 352 00:16:48,220 --> 00:16:45,170 experiencers hear the message that this 353 00:16:49,929 --> 00:16:48,230 has happened to their own planet so 354 00:16:51,970 --> 00:16:49,939 there's a little bit of controversy here 355 00:16:54,460 --> 00:16:51,980 about what the message actually means 356 00:16:58,030 --> 00:16:54,470 some people are also given messages 357 00:17:00,730 --> 00:16:58,040 about what do the ETS are doing what 358 00:17:03,939 --> 00:17:00,740 their mission mission is and many people 359 00:17:09,340 --> 00:17:03,949 will say that they receive information 360 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:09,350 that the ETS mean no harm they care 361 00:17:17,049 --> 00:17:12,530 about us that they are here to help us 362 00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:17,059 sort of to look over us but in reality 363 00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:20,799 they have a policy of non-interference 364 00:17:28,860 --> 00:17:25,280 so they're more observers but also that 365 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:28,870 they are very concerned about human DNA 366 00:17:35,620 --> 00:17:32,510 sequences and their concerns that 367 00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:35,630 something might threaten our species and 368 00:17:42,159 --> 00:17:38,960 that if we're not careful it could lead 369 00:17:45,490 --> 00:17:42,169 to the disintegration of our species due 370 00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:45,500 to changes in our DNA structure that are 371 00:17:52,450 --> 00:17:48,559 being caused environmentally and so that 372 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:52,460 they are collecting these DNA samples in 373 00:17:58,270 --> 00:17:56,000 order to propagate our species is if 374 00:18:01,930 --> 00:17:58,280 necessary now there are other 375 00:18:04,180 --> 00:18:01,940 researchers who do believe that the ETS 376 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:04,190 are producing hybrid beings and that 377 00:18:11,260 --> 00:18:06,890 those hybrid beings are going to be used 378 00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:11,270 to repopulate the earth as well so none 379 00:18:15,399 --> 00:18:13,190 of this is for sure it's all highly 380 00:18:18,250 --> 00:18:15,409 speculative but these are some of the 381 00:18:20,350 --> 00:18:18,260 messages that I've received well very 382 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:20,360 interesting are there thoughts from 383 00:18:26,460 --> 00:18:23,510 either one of you or at least discussion 384 00:18:28,930 --> 00:18:26,470 if these beings are other than 385 00:18:31,390 --> 00:18:28,940 extraterrestrial I would have to say 386 00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:31,400 from my experience my own personal 387 00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:35,120 experience is that the beings that I met 388 00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:39,679 with the exception of one they were from 389 00:18:45,310 --> 00:18:42,200 another place in the universe from 390 00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,320 another planet and they were trying to 391 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:47,600 work with us so that we can all work 392 00:18:55,330 --> 00:18:49,910 together to preserve 393 00:18:58,180 --> 00:18:55,340 our planets and to keep those going in a 394 00:19:00,790 --> 00:18:58,190 proper fashion so that we don't destroy 395 00:19:03,970 --> 00:19:00,800 what we have the one being that I did 396 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:03,980 meet I questioned where that being was 397 00:19:09,310 --> 00:19:07,250 from was he a time traveler was he 398 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:09,320 something that was interdimensional it's 399 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:12,050 quite possible that he was can you tell 400 00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:15,290 me why the Jenni Henderson 1988 401 00:19:19,980 --> 00:19:17,600 abduction was important enough to 402 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:19,990 include in the book I certainly can 403 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:25,490 jenny has had experiences at least since 404 00:19:31,630 --> 00:19:27,710 she was a teenager when she had a 405 00:19:36,490 --> 00:19:31,640 missing time event and those experiences 406 00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:36,500 had a very traumatic effect upon her 407 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:41,270 life due to the fear that she felt as a 408 00:19:47,470 --> 00:19:44,330 result of all of this and the feeling 409 00:19:51,180 --> 00:19:47,480 that she really couldn't discuss it with 410 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:51,190 other people and so often we find that 411 00:19:56,620 --> 00:19:54,770 fear is often alleviated when a person 412 00:19:59,050 --> 00:19:56,630 is able to come out with their 413 00:20:01,570 --> 00:19:59,060 experiences and to discuss them with 414 00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:01,580 others who have had that same kind of 415 00:20:10,540 --> 00:20:04,880 experience and they receive support but 416 00:20:14,250 --> 00:20:10,550 jenny didn't for many many years and she 417 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:14,260 did finally see dr. James harder who 418 00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:17,570 worked for afro he was the professor at 419 00:20:23,020 --> 00:20:20,470 a college in california and an 420 00:20:27,010 --> 00:20:23,030 specialized in abduction research and 421 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:27,020 also spoke with my aunt betty briefly 422 00:20:35,470 --> 00:20:31,610 but when she came to me she really 423 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:35,480 wanted to start discussing with someone 424 00:20:43,780 --> 00:20:38,510 her experiences what had happened to her 425 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:43,790 and to know if the this had anything in 426 00:20:48,460 --> 00:20:45,890 common with what other people were 427 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:48,470 reporting and so i was very pleased that 428 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:50,570 she did come to me she had a very 429 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:56,210 significant event in 1988 and this event 430 00:21:01,600 --> 00:20:58,490 occurred actually when she was in bed 431 00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:01,610 and so many people might say that oh it 432 00:21:05,410 --> 00:21:04,000 was probably sleep paralysis with 433 00:21:08,290 --> 00:21:05,420 hypnagogic lee hypnopompic 434 00:21:13,390 --> 00:21:08,300 hallucinations or it was just a dream 435 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:13,400 but betty of jenny woke up in the 436 00:21:19,660 --> 00:21:17,450 morning with evidence that something had 437 00:21:21,910 --> 00:21:19,670 happened there was blood on her pillow 438 00:21:26,130 --> 00:21:21,920 there was blood on her son and her 439 00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:26,140 daughter's pillows Wow she had burns 440 00:21:30,750 --> 00:21:28,340 triangular-shaped burns at the top of 441 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:30,760 her back and she still bears the scars 442 00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:34,610 from those burns she had a sunburn type 443 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:38,390 effect on her back she turned on the 444 00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:41,930 bathroom light it popped out nothing 445 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:44,270 unusual about that for a light bulb to 446 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:47,330 blow out but she stepped into the shower 447 00:21:54,130 --> 00:21:50,930 and her back began to burn her eyes 448 00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:54,140 began to burn tears ran down her cheeks 449 00:22:02,470 --> 00:21:59,840 and caused red trails she had more hair 450 00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:02,480 loss than usual and had significant hair 451 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:05,960 loss over the next few weeks sure sounds 452 00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:08,090 like radiation it does sound like 453 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:12,260 radiation poisoning she became disabled 454 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:14,810 as a result she had to leave her career 455 00:22:21,660 --> 00:22:17,690 and take a leave of absence and her 456 00:22:24,940 --> 00:22:21,670 physician even stated to her that 457 00:22:28,090 --> 00:22:24,950 sometimes some patients went to him and 458 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:28,100 seemed to have evidence of radiation 459 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:30,050 poisoning and he had no idea where this 460 00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:33,170 had come from but she certainly did 461 00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:34,880 exhibit those symptoms although her 462 00:22:43,690 --> 00:22:39,350 children didn't it seemed to to be just 463 00:22:45,910 --> 00:22:43,700 her on that particular night and there 464 00:22:48,580 --> 00:22:45,920 were also these electromagnetic effects 465 00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:48,590 the interference with her hair dryer 466 00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:50,630 that burned out when she stepped out of 467 00:22:57,910 --> 00:22:55,280 the shower she went downstairs she 468 00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:57,920 started to prepare breakfast and the 469 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:00,880 electric mixer then burned out her son's 470 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:04,130 computer game turned on and started 471 00:23:10,570 --> 00:23:06,890 working automatically and that had never 472 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:10,580 happened before it was just one thing 473 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:14,000 after another in these theories of very 474 00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:16,370 eerie events and her 475 00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:18,710 I choose continuous recall that 476 00:23:24,460 --> 00:23:21,200 something had occurred and then each of 477 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:24,470 her children spoke to her about memories 478 00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:26,750 that they had that night and they had 479 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:30,880 never discussed UFOs or aliens before 480 00:23:38,740 --> 00:23:35,450 this occurred so her her daughter 481 00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:38,750 remembered observing what she thought 482 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:41,030 was an airplane outside her bedroom 483 00:23:45,490 --> 00:23:43,010 window she said she could see the 484 00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,500 windows in it it was so close and the 485 00:23:50,410 --> 00:23:48,320 people in it and that she almost woke 486 00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,420 her mother up but didn't want to disturb 487 00:23:56,530 --> 00:23:52,640 her and then she said she spent the 488 00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,540 remainder of the night it seemed outside 489 00:24:02,380 --> 00:23:59,600 the house and this funny little house 490 00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:02,390 playing games with these funny little 491 00:24:09,850 --> 00:24:06,800 people and then her son stated that he 492 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:09,860 had never believed in UFOs before but 493 00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:13,850 now he knew they were real and it was 494 00:24:20,860 --> 00:24:17,929 all of this that combined to make a very 495 00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:20,870 interesting story and the hypnosis of 496 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:24,559 what happened to her over an extended 497 00:24:30,910 --> 00:24:27,730 period of time and several different 498 00:24:34,750 --> 00:24:30,920 encounters with extraterrestrial beings 499 00:24:37,030 --> 00:24:34,760 is is all in the book the alien 500 00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,040 abduction files Denise I'm going to ask 501 00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:39,760 you a several part question here mm-hmm 502 00:24:48,370 --> 00:24:44,480 first of all what was the fear level 503 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:48,380 that you had and secondly what was the 504 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:50,809 last time that something happened that 505 00:24:54,669 --> 00:24:53,210 you're aware of and also are you aware 506 00:24:57,310 --> 00:24:54,679 of anything happening with your daughter 507 00:24:59,440 --> 00:24:57,320 I don't believe anything has happened 508 00:25:02,890 --> 00:24:59,450 with my daughter why I don't know 509 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:02,900 because it usually runs in families my 510 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:06,290 fear level I really had nough and as a 511 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:08,090 child I felt like I was going to a 512 00:25:13,270 --> 00:25:10,130 special school and I was learning as I 513 00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:13,280 got older my fear level raised to the 514 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:16,220 point where it is today and I don't 515 00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:18,770 usually go to sleep until between four 516 00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:20,630 and six o'clock in the morning I will do 517 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:24,320 anything to stay awake even if I tell 518 00:25:30,259 --> 00:25:27,770 myself it's okay I can go to sleep if I 519 00:25:33,769 --> 00:25:30,269 do go to sleep I'll be awake within 520 00:25:37,849 --> 00:25:33,779 minutes I just wake up eyes pop open and 521 00:25:40,249 --> 00:25:37,859 I will find something to do my bed is my 522 00:25:43,729 --> 00:25:40,259 side of the bed is surrounded by pillows 523 00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:43,739 I sleep at the foot of the bed the head 524 00:25:49,369 --> 00:25:46,919 of the bed I sleep sideways I do it's 525 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:49,379 very very confusing looking like a 526 00:25:59,989 --> 00:25:53,570 little cocoon and when did I have my 527 00:26:02,119 --> 00:25:59,999 last experience in February Wow and we 528 00:26:04,719 --> 00:26:02,129 can ask kathleen because she was 529 00:26:08,449 --> 00:26:04,729 involved in that day it was just a very 530 00:26:11,299 --> 00:26:08,459 confusing day for both of us we had 531 00:26:14,509 --> 00:26:11,309 trouble with electronics on both of our 532 00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,519 cars I were an insulin pump the battery 533 00:26:19,089 --> 00:26:16,559 on that died and it was a three month 534 00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:19,099 pump that I had just put in her battery 535 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:22,169 my cell phone wasn't working the 536 00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:24,809 electronics on my mirrors and my car 537 00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,179 weren't working so that I could adjust 538 00:26:32,959 --> 00:26:28,799 them to see what was going on outside 539 00:26:36,469 --> 00:26:32,969 the vehicle the radio quit a fuse blew 540 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:36,479 it was just a very confusing day I took 541 00:26:42,469 --> 00:26:39,690 a pathway or Road home that I normally 542 00:26:45,829 --> 00:26:42,479 wouldn't take and then it ended up I 543 00:26:49,489 --> 00:26:45,839 wasn't on that road either I the whole 544 00:26:53,479 --> 00:26:49,499 day was just very very confusing and i 545 00:26:55,729 --> 00:26:53,489 do not know exactly how i got home until 546 00:26:58,759 --> 00:26:55,739 later on i went looking for an apartment 547 00:27:00,680 --> 00:26:58,769 building i was sure i was at and saw 548 00:27:03,619 --> 00:27:00,690 craft coming out of the water we're 549 00:27:05,539 --> 00:27:03,629 working on that kathy can you elaborate 550 00:27:09,889 --> 00:27:05,549 a little more on that that lasts that 551 00:27:13,339 --> 00:27:09,899 day in February yes I can it was just 552 00:27:16,009 --> 00:27:13,349 such a very strange trip home my father 553 00:27:18,949 --> 00:27:16,019 with was with us and and the three of us 554 00:27:22,249 --> 00:27:18,959 had gone to a meeting in st. Petersburg 555 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:22,259 and I noticed that the GPS system on my 556 00:27:28,489 --> 00:27:25,049 car was malfunctioning on the way home 557 00:27:31,339 --> 00:27:28,499 even too and it kept telling me to turn 558 00:27:33,169 --> 00:27:31,349 off from the highway and I knew that I 559 00:27:38,169 --> 00:27:33,179 wasn't supposed to turn off I actually 560 00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:38,179 did the first time and realized that I 561 00:27:42,909 --> 00:27:40,919 was in the wrong location and then just 562 00:27:45,369 --> 00:27:42,919 drove and got back on the high 563 00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:45,379 and we were wondering why this was 564 00:27:50,019 --> 00:27:47,929 occurring it hadn't happened before and 565 00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:50,029 we've made that trip plenty of times 566 00:27:57,310 --> 00:27:53,600 before and then there were all of the 567 00:28:02,830 --> 00:27:57,320 malfunctions of denise's equipment and 568 00:28:05,379 --> 00:28:02,840 as we approached home and I dropped her 569 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:05,389 off at the destination where she was 570 00:28:11,769 --> 00:28:09,289 going to get her car and drive back to 571 00:28:15,159 --> 00:28:11,779 her home we live about an hour away from 572 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:15,169 each other and we took a central 573 00:28:20,229 --> 00:28:18,529 location to each drive to she got into 574 00:28:23,259 --> 00:28:20,239 the car and this is when she discovered 575 00:28:27,129 --> 00:28:23,269 the malfunctions with her own vehicle 576 00:28:29,739 --> 00:28:27,139 now she contacted me after that and she 577 00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:29,749 said I think I had an experience last 578 00:28:37,539 --> 00:28:33,679 night and fortunately she has a Trifield 579 00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:37,549 natural am meter so it's a magnetometer 580 00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:41,230 it measures a magnetic field 581 00:28:46,090 --> 00:28:43,609 electromagnetic field and an electrical 582 00:28:49,749 --> 00:28:46,100 field and there was a high 583 00:28:53,109 --> 00:28:49,759 electromagnetic reading on her vehicle 584 00:28:56,229 --> 00:28:53,119 she finally brought the car over to me 585 00:28:58,659 --> 00:28:56,239 along with her meter I have ended up 586 00:29:02,129 --> 00:28:58,669 purchasing one since then because this 587 00:29:04,330 --> 00:29:02,139 is so fascinating we knew that this the 588 00:29:06,430 --> 00:29:04,340 dashboard of her car and this equipment 589 00:29:09,399 --> 00:29:06,440 was malfunctioning her husband had 590 00:29:12,009 --> 00:29:09,409 attempted to fix it but what was so 591 00:29:14,379 --> 00:29:12,019 strange is that it continued to 592 00:29:18,849 --> 00:29:14,389 malfunction until the day that she came 593 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:18,859 to my house and we took the Trifield 594 00:29:25,479 --> 00:29:22,330 meter and did a measurement and and then 595 00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:25,489 amazingly everything began working 596 00:29:30,879 --> 00:29:28,129 properly again for no up for some 597 00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:30,889 unknown reason and something else 598 00:29:35,769 --> 00:29:33,440 happened that day too I had never 599 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:35,779 thought of measuring the electrical 600 00:29:43,330 --> 00:29:38,690 field around a human being who had been 601 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:43,340 abducted and we put it on the electrical 602 00:29:50,049 --> 00:29:46,970 just to experiment Denise was explaining 603 00:29:53,549 --> 00:29:50,059 all of this to me and whenever she 604 00:29:54,670 --> 00:29:53,559 approached it she got a very high 605 00:29:56,980 --> 00:29:54,680 reading 606 00:30:00,220 --> 00:29:56,990 it would Ark actually would go to full 607 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:00,230 capacity and make a sound and so we 608 00:30:05,260 --> 00:30:02,290 experimented with other people 609 00:30:08,290 --> 00:30:05,270 experimented with my husband in the same 610 00:30:10,750 --> 00:30:08,300 location didn't do it for him she 611 00:30:13,540 --> 00:30:10,760 experimented with her husband with her 612 00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:13,550 daughter it didn't do it for them it was 613 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:17,600 only when she having just recently been 614 00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:21,170 abducted was near that that she was 615 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:24,340 emitting a strong electro magnet 616 00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:27,530 electrical field around her body I 617 00:30:34,060 --> 00:30:28,910 always thought she had a magnetic 618 00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:34,070 personality that I did hypnotized Denise 619 00:30:42,670 --> 00:30:38,950 and and took her back to that night and 620 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:42,680 she spoke a little bit about being on 621 00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:45,530 the craft and there were also two other 622 00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:48,950 people on the craft and she could just 623 00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:52,640 get a glimpse of them as they were sort 624 00:31:00,220 --> 00:30:56,360 of across the hallway from her I think 625 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:00,230 it was and there was an older man who 626 00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,110 was balding and there was also a woman 627 00:31:07,780 --> 00:31:05,360 in there and they were both seated and 628 00:31:11,710 --> 00:31:07,790 the woman was dressed in a sweater and 629 00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:11,720 Denise was wondering if the scarf this 630 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:14,900 woman was wearing was attached to this 631 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:17,810 sweater and you know the very eerie 632 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:20,930 thing about this is my father was with 633 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:23,690 me and he's balding and I was wearing a 634 00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:28,070 sweater with a scarf and so this is very 635 00:31:33,370 --> 00:31:31,100 very confusing she wasn't able to 636 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:33,380 determine if it was my father and myself 637 00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,290 or not but it just sort of gave me the 638 00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:38,720 creeps to to hear about this and think 639 00:31:45,910 --> 00:31:42,260 about it Wow well denise has this been 640 00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:45,920 really tough on family life oh you would 641 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:48,350 think that it would affect family very 642 00:31:54,670 --> 00:31:50,930 very strongly but since my husband had 643 00:31:59,710 --> 00:31:54,680 that well he had more than one occasion 644 00:32:02,380 --> 00:31:59,720 to be taken either with me or or to 645 00:32:05,050 --> 00:32:02,390 witness something going on with both of 646 00:32:07,670 --> 00:32:05,060 us he's been very good about it he gets 647 00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:07,680 into bed at night and he'll put out 648 00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,740 I mask on plug his ears up and go to 649 00:32:15,650 --> 00:32:12,960 sleep and that's it I can have my TV on 650 00:32:18,170 --> 00:32:15,660 the lights on I'm in my weird little 651 00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:18,180 cocoon and whenever I go to sleep I go 652 00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:20,340 to sleep and he's just been terrific 653 00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,280 about it and we're both retired now so 654 00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:25,500 I'm not getting up having to be at my 655 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:29,460 desk with the on the Navy base and in 656 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,010 the research facility by six o'clock in 657 00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:34,320 the morning anymore that was tough oh I 658 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:36,270 bet I bet that was especially when 659 00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:38,130 you're just going to sleep then on this 660 00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:41,100 survey you did for the commonalities can 661 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:43,500 you just say like for instance what were 662 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:45,770 some of the things that Denise and 663 00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:48,570 Jennifer had in common with her 664 00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,510 experiences well I can tell you the the 665 00:32:57,490 --> 00:32:54,480 most highly significant characteristics 666 00:32:59,780 --> 00:32:57,500 they had is that eighty eight percent 667 00:33:02,840 --> 00:32:59,790 stated that their abduction memories 668 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:02,850 were consciously recalled and so were a 669 00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:05,970 good part of Denise's and Jenny's as 670 00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:10,200 well they weren't retrieved entirely 671 00:33:16,220 --> 00:33:12,360 through hypnosis there was a lot of 672 00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,230 conscious continuous recall there they 673 00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:18,360 also consciously recalled the 674 00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:22,380 observation of a flying saucer UFO at 675 00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:24,780 less than a thousand feet away from them 676 00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:30,000 before at least one abduction they were 677 00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,990 not alone when they were taken and there 678 00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:35,760 were people waiting for them on the 679 00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:39,000 other end who could confirm that they 680 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:42,720 were hours late in returning to their 681 00:33:49,010 --> 00:33:46,250 destination something else that is 682 00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:49,020 highly significant is that eighty-eight 683 00:33:54,770 --> 00:33:52,710 percent of experience there's state that 684 00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:54,780 there is Paranormal Activity in their 685 00:34:00,080 --> 00:33:57,000 homes generally in the form of 686 00:34:06,010 --> 00:34:00,090 poltergeist activity or light orbs 687 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:06,020 following a UFO abduction experience and 688 00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:09,450 immediately around that event not 689 00:34:15,860 --> 00:34:12,480 necessarily every day of their lives but 690 00:34:20,180 --> 00:34:15,870 immediately around that event and most 691 00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:20,190 individuals develop a psychic ability at 692 00:34:25,099 --> 00:34:21,119 least temporary 693 00:34:28,099 --> 00:34:25,109 early or become more sensitive to this 694 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:28,109 after an experience I have a question 695 00:34:31,999 --> 00:34:30,450 how about orbs is that that's something 696 00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:32,009 I've heard about that people have talked 697 00:34:37,999 --> 00:34:34,619 about after an abduction yes it's quite 698 00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:38,009 prevalent for people to observe light 699 00:34:42,859 --> 00:34:40,679 orbs in their homes and there's a little 700 00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:42,869 speculation about whether or not these 701 00:34:47,859 --> 00:34:45,240 light orbs are actually the 702 00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:47,869 consciousness of an extraterrestrial 703 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:50,099 floating through the air before it 704 00:34:57,259 --> 00:34:55,169 expands into is full body form and many 705 00:35:00,769 --> 00:34:57,269 people have reported that it does 706 00:35:05,089 --> 00:35:00,779 rapidly expand and becomes an ET just 707 00:35:07,819 --> 00:35:05,099 before an experience occurs and so what 708 00:35:10,309 --> 00:35:07,829 why would this be and it could be that 709 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:10,319 they're a lot less frightening in that 710 00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:12,450 form than if they were to walk into your 711 00:35:20,359 --> 00:35:16,470 house in full body in fact a man sent me 712 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:20,369 a photograph this morning of light orb 713 00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:22,890 that he photographed inside his home and 714 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:25,680 there appears to be a little each he 715 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:29,130 faced inside this oh well that's amazing 716 00:35:33,819 --> 00:35:31,170 well you both have been wonderful the 717 00:35:36,769 --> 00:35:33,829 book is called the alien abduction files 718 00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:36,779 Kathleen Martin and Denise stoner ladies